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| M: (07/02/08)
That God's Plan A was to have Israel be a light to the nations and to embody God's kingdom values on earth by following God's laws, and Israel failed. So God's Plan B was to send Jesus, have him meet us in our sinfulness and failure, take our sins upon himself in his death and give us hope for life and restoration through his resurrection. And on top of that he sent the Holy Spirit to enable the church (the "new Israel") to be the light - the hands and feet of God in this world. I get that. But stemming from that narrative I just have a few questions: 1) In the Old Testament, there's no point in glossing over the fact that God wanted a lot of groups of people annihilated. Sometimes (like in Amos) he wanted them killed because they had done terrible injustice and oppressed people and committed sexual immorality. But sometimes when Israel had political enemies like the Philistines there appeared to be no reason for God to be giving military orders to proceed and "leave no man, woman, child, or livestock alive..." except that they were Israel's enemies. My question is, how does this show God's character and shine a light to the rest of the world? It might show his power and might and protection over Israel, but wouldn't that much bloodshed also make the surrounding nations feel like Israel was kind of cruel and merciless and engender more enmity? My mindset (obviously influenced by today's culture) is that war usually engenders more hatred, and inter-ethnic conflict happens when one person kills another person's brother or husband and moves to retaliate, starting a vicious cycle of violence. I can't imagine that the people groups Israel went to battle with would realize it was because of any sin they committed; they would just hate Israel more, and think Israelis were cruel, thus starting the Israel-Philistine standoff that seemed to last for years. Where is the concept of racial/ethnic reconciliation supposed to come into play? 2) How was Plan A supposed to work, exactly? Because God happened to pick an ethnic group (the Jews), even if the people of the surrounding nations saw the God of Israel and admired him, how would they come to faith exactly? Wouldn't they feel limited by the fact that they didn't belong to that ethnic group? How often did non-Jews convert in the Old Testament? Is King Nebuchadnezzar an example? But his story definitely seems to be an exception, where he interacted closely with Daniel, a Jew, and saw his God was worth worshiping. 3) Come to think of it, how come Daniel and his friends didn't oppose the king (a Gentile) adopting their God, while in the New Testament there's so much controversy over Gentile conversions? Did "conversion" have a different meaning in the Old and New Testaments? |
| Jack: Hi, M, Thanks for the note and the question.
Plan A and Plan B: Your questions: 1) God’s program of annihilation: Perhaps the classical text regarding annihilation is Deut 18:9ff. Moses, speaking of the life style of the Canaanites, concludes, “because of these detestable practices the Lord your God will drive out those nations before you.” To our way of thinking, this “ethnic cleansing” is reprehensible. However, we need to keep in mind several things:
2. How were the peoples supposed to come to faith? Some thoughts:
How fruitful was the “witness” of Israel? Not as fruitful as it could have been, due to their own failure to respond in the way the Lord planned for them, as the prophets remind us so forcefully. But before we judge them too harshly, we need to examine our own lives and evaluate how effective our own witness has been. 3) Opposition to Gentile conversions. Old Testament conversions meant becoming Jews, the “covenant people,” through belief in the Lord God (Yahweh), obeying His commands, which for the men included the rite of circumcision. In the New Testament we read of “proselytes,” those from a Gentile background who had become part of the Jewish community. In the Book of Acts we see the transition from the Jewish pattern to the Christian one, most notably in chapter 15, the Jerusalem Council. At this Council, conservative Jewish Christians, notably the Pharisees, insisted that to be a Christian meant keeping the Jewish ceremonial law. Paul, Barnabas, and Peter insisted that becoming a Christian meant that in Christ we have everything and though we are called to holiness, the whole system of the ceremonial law has been superseded. This is dealt with theologically in the book of Hebrews. Well, sorry for the extensive answer, but I trust it has been helpful. These are not easy issues you are dealing with, but I congratulate you on raising them and I trust that my answers have been somewhat helpful. Blessings on you and your friends, M, Jack |
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So at my church, and even in InterVarsity, we like to tell the following Bible narrative: